James I

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Hi Martin,

First of all a million congratulations and thank you's for the site (why isn't more of the internet like this, dammit!). I am a 16 year old college student who lives in Leeds. I was wanting to start a correspondence up with you and I've finally got some interesting things to talk about (or at least things I think are interesting :-)). I am a little tired though so I'll keep this short and sweet.

Capital Punishment

Some days I think its entirely hypocritical and wrong, other times I'd punish burglars with it. What are your thoughts on the matter?

Marriage

After thinking about it, I just can't see the point. Why is it that I can only truly be in love with someone if I endure some archaic religious ceremony? Again, I'd like your input.

Moron Tax aka The National Lottery

Any suggestions on how to deprogram my family from chucking money down the toilet.

(This one's not too serious :-))

House of Lords

On your page about politics in England you mention some ideas about what to put in it's place. I be very interested to hear them. So, some food for thought there. I look forward to your reply.

Cheers

James

 

Capital punishment

I don't start from the basis of human rights, that is a fiction. What matters is does hanging people actually work. On the positive side it has a provable zero rate of recidivism, by far the best of any form of punishment or rehabilitation. I am unaware of a single case of a hanged man re-offending.

Also on the plus side we have the removal of the bad example. No young lad is going to share a cell with a hanged man and learn his methods or his values.

Finally there is the sheer economy of it. A few metres of hemp rope and a trapdoor. Wage costs no more than any other day in prison, but with no prospect of overtime payments. In the USA they argue that it costs more to execute a man than to imprison him for life because of all the appeals and so on. I know lawyers are expensive but I still find this hard to credit.

The biggest drawback is the probability of miscarriages of justice. Pardoning innocent men and letting them out of prison is easy. So is pardoning those bastards you know are guilty but you got caught out with planting evidence. Pardoning a bloke who has spent the last twenty five years buried in quicklime is a bit more problematic and considerably more futile. On the whole I think it is a tough call, no obvious solution. It is one I would bend with the wind on, I think now on balance it is more likely to be politically expedient to stay with the liberal consensus and to continue to operate without it.

The statistics are not clear either way as to whether it saves money or lives, neither does it appear obvious whether the deterrent effect against murder is very clear. Perhaps this is where we have been going wrong. We have been executing the wrong people.

Most murders are domestic and not part of any pattern of criminality. My mother was a prison officer for many years and was well acquainted with many women who had killed their husbands and lovers. They were the most reliable prisoners she had to deal with. In contrast it was the shoplifters and cheque fraudsters who were the dyed in the wool evil bitches.

Some crimes need a strong deterrent, for others the punishment is irrelevant to the chances of an offence being committed because the offender either does not think about being caught or does not think at all. What matters is not the nature of the offence but the nature of the offender. For the classic murder for greed hanging and life imprisonment are equally effective as deterrents. For the lunatics life imprisonment is a bigger deterrent. For the woman who snaps after fifteen years of abuse no punishment would deter.

The biggest deterrent effect of capital punishment would be against the career petty criminal. Imagine the effect of being told by a judge

"When you were fourteen and first arrested you were cautioned and let off, the second time you were let off again with a suspended sentence of imprisonment. On the third occasion you were sentenced to imprisonment. I now have to inform you that this repeat offence after a period of imprisonment makes you eligible for sentence review by a panel of experts who will assess your suitability, or otherwise, for imprisonment. If it deems you incapable of rehabilitation you will be executed. I trust I will not being seeing your sneering face in this court again. Goodbye."

Juries should be given the job of deciding the facts. Judges given the task of deciding the matters of law and specialists on criminal behaviour should be given the task of deciding the most suitable sentence, with judges free to make or refrain from making their own recommendations.

Marriage

Marriage is not about love, or religion, it about commitment. It is not a test of faith or a measure of love it is a long-term contract to live together in a special trusting relationship. Seeing it in any other way is naïve. Forget the hearts and flowers, forget the love of God, marriage is about making a working day-to-day relationship that involves a shared agreement on the nature and extent of that commitment. Love will not conquer all, you can't live on a prayer. You have to negotiate an evolving partnership.

There are thousands of ways to have an unhappy relationship, more ways are being discovered all the time, but successful relationships rely on trust, forgiveness, shared interests, not too much secrecy, not too much jealousy. An agreed level of shared interests and behaviour, agreed levels of personal growth space. Marriages are not made in heaven and they are not made in a moment of reciprocated sexual attraction. Marriages require effort. At the best they are the surest way to a happy and fulfilling life, but not always, not every time and for many people it never could happen.

There are millions of myths about marriage which help to make the current situation the way it is. People get damaged because they expect marriage to solve problems or they see a wedding as the fairy tale happily ever after ending. People need to be taught the truth about marriage, that it is about give and take, accommodation, a working and evolving relationship. The media is full of crazy stereotypes of impossibly happy marriages.

Divorce is an essential escape route for many people trapped in unworkable marriage but it is too easy to get yourself caught up in the divorce industry and fleeced by lawyers who have no option but to see marriages like scrap merchants see older cars. My sister is a solicitor specializing in family law and she agrees with me on this point.

A world without marriage would be a nasty place to live. Women are controlled by their biological imperatives to a degree that nobody these days is comfortable with. A secure future for their children is what women want, with marriage this urge can be dealt with in a socially acceptable way, without it things can start getting complicated and dysfunctional. Marriage is on the decline and so are moral standards. Children raised without security are very much more likely to become delinquent. It is not an iron law but the relationship is easily demonstrated with statistics. If you are a murder victim under the age of 16 the single most likely culprit is your mother's lover.

Moron Tax

I am against the lottery because it gives false hope to millions of people. Their real interests lie in realizing that they will never be rich and acting accordingly. The lottery stops them from seeing their true class position. Millions of people say "good on them, if they can get away with it" when they hear of footballers or pop stars making a fortune or some ordinary bloke inventing something and getting rich off the back of it. What they are really saying is "bastard, that should have been me, if I make out I don't care perhaps when I make it big people will not be jealous of me." People have a crazy faith in their ability to discover some unknown talent for invention, singing, bank robbery, having unknown rich relatives die or picking random numbers and think that they too one day will be rich.

As long as there is that one chance in fourteen million each week that idea cannot be totally ridiculed. The best advice I can give is to ask them to calculate the odds and then count up to that number, if they count quickly they might be finished before they are due to retire.

House of Lords

The more I think about the second chamber the more I think it is unnecessary. Some democratic countries have second chambers to accommodate different interests such as states. The House of Lords was there to give a voice to the Lords, a voice they are not entitled to. There is no need for a second chamber, just a more thorough review by the Commons and their committees.

New ideas on the House of Lords

 
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Hello again Martin

Thanks for the speedy response to my e-mail. You've certainly clarified a lot of things for me.

Capital punishment

Yes, I see you're point about human rights. After thinking about it I agree totally that the nature of the offender is the main issue in deciding judgement. I think for Murder One (where you decide to kill a specific person and then plan out how and when to do it) and similar crimes, the sentence should certainly be death. But only if the evidence is completely conclusive and there is no chance that the accused is innocent (a rare occurrence, I know!). The other system you mentioned for petty criminals, similar to the "three strikes" they have in America, is also, in my opinion, a good idea. Although perhaps it would be best to raise the bar to "five strikes" or something more sensible. (My great-grandfathers brother was actually the last man in Leeds to get the birch for stealing a packet of sweets!)

Marriage

I have always considered marriage a ancient religious ceremony and never a "contract of commitment" before. Perhaps it should be used as a method of ensuring security for children (and keeping the population down), by saying only state recognised marriages are allowed to bear any children. Adoption and surrogacy could be used for homosexual marriages. Any unwed parents having children would be subjected to heavy fines and possible criminal charges. This all sounds a bit extreme and I realise that marriages are not the start-and-finish when it comes to successfully raising children (I myself am legally a bastard :-)) but perhaps something similar could be considered.

Which leads me nicely on to.....

Lowering the population and destroying the underclass

Er.. don't look at that title and think I'm advocating the gas chambers or anything. But I have a system that might just do what that title says without having to kill anyone (hooray!). (Apologies to Kim Stanley Robinson from whom I have blatantly ripped this off :-))

Picture this. To have a child you need a certain amount of credits, one to be precise. According to the law, everyone is born with three quarters of a credit. Therefore when two people get together they will have one and a half credits combined. If and when they have a child (costing one credit) their total will be lowered to one half of a credit. Now comes the clever bit. That couple can now either sell that half to a richer couple, so that this second couple can have two children, or buy another half from someone else if they themselves wish to have a second child. As you can imagine the price of half a credit will be pretty expensive (after all you are selling you're chance to have another child), and the cash bonus that could give to a poor couple would certainly encourage them to sell their half. This would also ensure that second children are born to financially secure couples.

Although it needs some refinement, the system could work. The chances of it being actually enforced are somewhat low however and I can only see it happening if the population becomes ridiculously high (the way things are going however that won't be too long).

House of Lords

I AGREE TOTALLY, 100% AND COMPLETELY!!!!

Ahem..

I have never seen the point of a upper house and if Sweden can get along fine without one, so can we.

So. I think that will do for now. If you've got some free time from running that brilliant site if yours (the last thing I want to be is a burden :-)), then please don't hesitate to reply, I look forward to it.

James

P.S. Thanks for the advice on the lottery, my dad has actually decided to stop (yippee!)

 

Criminal Scum

We need to be clear about this. Punishment should not fit the crime it should fit the criminal and the crime. There is a trade off. Stealing a packet of sweets sounds like a minor offence but it is an act of dishonesty, what should matter is not the size of the theft but how it fits into a pattern of behaviour; what caused the behaviour, is it likely to happen again without a harsh punishment, what would be the effect of a punishment. For most lads caught stealing the fact of detection is all that is required to shock them into seeing sense. For others a severe punishment is absolutely necessary, and for a further minority all punishment is a waste of effort. For some dyed in the wool criminals the simplest and most straightforward answer is to execute them while you have a chance, even if that is for a "first time offence" of a seemingly minor nature.

Think about this. Your neighbour has a scrap-yard. Full of interesting stuff of limited value. To protect it he keeps a dog. The children of the area tease the dog through the fence and drive him insane with their taunts. One day a child squeezes through the fence and the dog savages him. Would you let the dog off with a caution and go easy on him because of his dysfunctional lifestyle? No. You would destroy the public nuisance. That is the sensible approach in the interests of public safety. There is no reason at all not to use precisely the same reasoning with people. If a man is a twisted psycho who is likely to abduct and murder children that is the most important thing we need to bear in mind. We only need a psychiatric opinion on the likelihood of rehabilitation and punishment achieving a cure of the offending and offensive behaviour. We don't need to understand and empathize with the nutter, just understand him enough to predict his behaviour.

If a court is faced with an alcoholic with plenty of money who thinks he can drive safely with twelve pints of Special Brew inside him and is likely to continue to drive whether or not he has a licence then the court should consider an appropriate sentence. Instead of fining him or sending him to prison it should seize his assets, sell his car and manage his bank account for him in a way that ensures he can have a credit account with a couple of local taxi firms. That would be cheaper than imprisonment, no more or less of a limit on his freedom and be significantly more likely to have the desired effect of keeping the pillock from killing anybody.

I am all in favour of a nanny state. My wife is a trained nanny and she knows how to use appropriate discipline. Discipline and love make a powerful combination.

Lowering the Population

A very interesting suggestion. It sounds like the work of an economist. It certainly seems to work well as a theoretical economics model. However most such models assume that the people are rational maximizers of their own marginal utility or welfare, but economics has a poor insight into what that actually means. This is where a bridge-builder is needed, somebody with skills of social science and biology as well as economics.

Yes, I'll set my mind to it and thrash it out.

It does seem a little similar to, or at least compatible with, some ideas I have been speculating about for several months although they were a little more complicated and integrated things with the taxation, welfare and judicial systems too. Perhaps when I have a little time to mull it over one day I will come up with the right synthesis.

It is a bit like being the executor for God's will. Now we know he's dead we can redistribute his responsibilities to appropriate committees. It might not be perfect but it is better than standing around in draughty buildings wishing into the empty air.

Marriage, bastards and morality

The Church has caused no end of problems. Once again the Big Lie in operation. (Watch out for my new article on The Big Lie, soon.) The Big Lie is that morality follows from and is dependent upon religion, or put another way you cannot be rational and moral. The Church frowned on bastards because they were the results of sin, fornication. The reality was that bastards were a problem because they damaged the social structure and the civic institution of marriage. If a woman had a child without a husband then they were probably going to be a burden on somebody. They would be a burden on the woman's father, the parish poor relief system or society in general if the "one parent family" took to whoring, thievery or other desperate measures.

The taboo against the single parent family makes perfect economic sense, children need looking after and you can't look after a child and earn money unless you have above average talent in something, so you can pay a fair price for childcare while you work to earn that amount plus the other needs of woman and child, and most women have no such talent. In the current era nothing has fundamentally changed with this scenario. My wife has worked as a nanny for several people for low pay, but always working for people with above average incomes. Single parent families will always be a social burden as long as people who are not single parents refuse to allow single parents to be paid more for doing the same job less well. I can't see this situation ever changing. Men will want to provide for their families and will resent any idea that they should be rewarded less well for their higher commitment to a job than a single parent.

It is better for all concerned that children come from steady relationships. The nuclear family is the natural way to do it and the one that works the best. Jealousy exists in all relationships between people but in the nuclear family it is actually lower than in other relationships. The family have shared goals. The interests of the mother and the father in the child are very similar, this similarity of interest does not extend to the extended family or step families. A small nuclear family is a terrifically stable and functional unit. I live with a boy, a girl and a woman. They are all my favourites. We are all each other's favourites. There is competition and jealousy involved as in all relationships but it is manageable, obvious, transparent. We live just like the Teletubbies. I think I need a big hug.

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