Was it Zaphod Beeblebrox who
said something like If there is anything on board bigger than
my ego I want it hunted down and shot? Something like that.
It made an impression on me. Not enough to remember it accurately,
but nobody's perfect.
I work best in an environment in which my ego is unchallenged.
On Monday there were four people off sick from the shop and
I was the biggest ego on the shop floor. I did more than half
my weekly sales target in one shift. Normally I do less well
as I get intimidated by other strong willed people. I hate parties
for a similar reason, the extrovert behaviour of other people
makes me shrink back.
So you have spent hours reading my stuff? I suppose you noticed
a few errors, I usually do when I read it.
I don't know how much time I have put into the site, it is
rather frightening to try to calculate. On my best days I wake
at about 6:30 and go to bed at 23:30, with about forty minutes
off for food and toilet breaks. That does seem quite a long
time. I will have to learn to eat faster. ;-) That is not all
directly writing articles. That includes newsgroup postings
and email. But a high proportion of that ends up on the site
too. The Feedback Zone is rapidly growing. Many people at first
just imagine that it contains nothing but comments from visitors
about the site, whereas in fact it contains some of the longest
articles of all, the on-going correspondences.
Have you got any stories from your work that you would like
to share? Why not write something for my Guest Zone? Can you
suggest any ways that I can tell people how much stuff there
is buried behind each link? It is a puzzle I want to solve.
The site is enormous but it is difficult to gauge that from
the first page. By the way, it is a mere 3.4MB in total at the
moment, that makes me wonder why so many ISPs allocate 50 MB
or more for personal webspace. Imagine if I could fill that
much up in a similar way, mostly text, that would keep people
busy for a long time. I suppose the size of the site explains
why the apparent traffic to the site seems to peak every day
that I add new material, it is not because people anticipate
when I have added new material, simply that they cannot digest
it all in one go and so come back for several days, registering
as a new visitor after I have changed the front page.
Dear Martin...
I would love to write a column for your site. Give
me a while though, I have a lot on at work at the moment.
I was thinking about something I discussed on the
Fade To Black boards actually. We had a patient in recently
who was a Seventh Day Adventist. She had a kidney transplant,
but then refused to have a blood transfusion. For some
weird religious reason, they consider the blood sacred,
but not the organ.
Maybe if you cut down the number of links you repeat
it might make the site easier to navigate. I noticed
that you repeat the same topics in different areas,
which can get a bit confusing. And maybe if you have
one menu list at the home page? Anyway just suggestions.
I tried to put together a website myself but with no
luck so far.
Clancy
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The reason I split the site up into different zones
is to separate the pages into broad subject groups, some
pages fit into more than one zone so I put them in both.
I assume that some people have found my site only for
the atheism, others only for the weird politics, so separating
them out seemed appropriate. There is a full page of contents
too, giving access to all the pages, including some that
don't fit in the zones. If I put all those links on the
first page it would overload the attention span of many
less than fervent visitors, the page would take too long
to load.
The more I think about religion the more strange and
dangerous it seems. I can't help thinking that if a
genuinely intelligent alien race did find us they would
keep their distance and merely observe us from afar,
we are far too strange and dangerous to deal with directly.
Our capacity to believe irrational things is enormous.
Blood transfusion scruples is just the tip of the iceberg.
Martin |
Dear Martin.
thought you might be interested to know that Susan Blackmore was
in a short TV program on ABC over here. I think it was wednesday.
Very interesting. She talked a bit about her theory of memes.
Anyway, I have dropped into your site a couple of times, but I am
finding the navigation a bit confusing. Mind you, that's usually
because it is about three in the morning when I get on the net, after
I have done all my email stuff and posted on Fade To Black. By the
way, what did you think of the site? It does get a bit obtuse and
flippant , but we all have fun. Well I hope to hear from you soonish.
Ciao for now.......Clancy |
The navigation wins some fans and other
people don't like it. Perhaps this is an accident of evolution.
I started out with a frame based design last year and
introduced the Zones. Atheism, Politics and the Other
Zone at first. The site operating in frames from the
first page, each page having its own separate frameset
and so its own title in the title bar. This was simple
and effective but was useless on a minority of old browsers.
(Luddites, Flat Earthers and those people surfing on
old systems like those in offices and schools.) Also
some people just will not get on with frames out of
some misguided sense of principle.
So I then introduced a no frames page for them
which at first mirrored the zones, but this got to be
too big for all the graphics and links, as it was supposed
to be for the benefit of technically challenged surfers
it didn't seem like a good idea to make it full of pictures.
So it evolved into the contents page, all the links,
few graphics.
(Do you use the term technically challenged?
It is quite useful, meaning the same as buggered or
kaput but with interesting ironic overtones.)
If you start with the zones you can check out the pages
connected with the major subject areas of interest to
you first. Do you by any chance use Netscape? If you
use Explorer instead you get a hint about page content
by hovering over the balls next to the page titles,
so revealing the "alt" legend. (Both title and ball
are clickable and they usually point to the same page,
except when I cock up.)
I suggest the best way to go through the site is to
click on the "Full content, in frames" link. This will
let you see all the pages, even those outside the zones
and the links should change colour when visited, they
also have clear descriptions about their subject. Once
you are familiar with the site the What's New page should
be the best way in to new material.
Sometimes links are wrong, sometimes links open inside
a frameset by mistake, doubling up the navigation bar.
I usually get to spot these errors eventually but please
let me know if you spot any. I did check out Fade to
Black but I can't relax on it. Perhaps when net calls
are free I will be able to relax and enjoy it. I get
twelve hours of net access per month, not really enough.
The fear of large bills prevents me from relaxing and
enjoying the net experience. I find newsgroups are easier
to cope with. I can download messages that attract me
(only skimming them) and replies to my messages then
go offline to come up with some killer responses, then
these can be uploaded in a bunch with my e-mail. Doing
the same sort of thing on Fade to Black is less easy.
Susan Blackmore is quite an interesting person, intelligent
and quite perceptive. I don't agree with all her theories,
I think she has slightly overstepped the mark on a few
points. Memetic analysis is very useful but it can be
taken too far and too literally. Memes are an abstraction,
not real in the most concrete of ways. They are as real
as a centre of gravity.
Martin |
Dear Martin
I'll be brief, coz I have to get to work. Night shift... (sigh)
In answer to your query, I do use Explorer, and yes I do get the
content come up. My problem with your site is more an issue of repetitiveness,
I find that I go through one part that's fine, but I find the same
subject matter repeated in another part. When you have had little
sleep this can be a bit disconcerting. Sometimes I think I must have
already looked at that topic, when I have not, or vice versa. Especially
in the feedback zone, this gets confusing because the subject names
are so similar. And they are not really indicative of content....although
I am sure it makes sense to you! Anyway I have to run, see you in
the machine!
Clancy |
I know what you mean now. There is quite a bit of repetition
in the feedback zone, the same message appearing again
on a different page. This needs sorting out. I will do
something about it in a week or two. I am not sure exactly
how to sort the mess out. It needs another system. I want
to be able to put all the relevant material in front of
the less than obsessed viewer, this does require using
more than one way in to each piece in some way, as some
messages are part of a series and at the same time work
well as stand-alone messages, often in more than one broad
subject area. I'll let this puzzle stew for a few weeks
and perhaps I will come up with some novel way of handling
the stuff. One of the big snags of confusing the visitors
is that it can give them the impression that they have
read it all because they keep coming across the same stuff.
As to page titles I have to hold my hands up. They
are usually a bit abstruse. There are a few jokes in
there too, although hardly side splitting. |
Dear Martin.
I read your comments about our comments today! You funny boy. It
took me a while to find it though. Talk about posting in an obscure
place.
So. I am wondering what you think of the idea
of sustaining life past its natural ending. I mean by that, whatever
would have been brought about by accident, disease or simply age.
Do you think that we should strive to preserve a life, no matter
what?
Personally my feelings and my work ethic are in conflict here.
I work in an area where we perform medical miracles. We give people
with failing livers and kidneys new organs. But often they cause
more problems for the person. Recently we lost a Liver transplant
recipient on the table. He was reasonably young and could have lived
for another ten years with his liver disease. Many of our patients
think it is worth it. and mostly I do too. But occasionally you come
across someone who you think that the operation was wasted on. Like
that fellow who had the hand transplant. Or the very old and sick.
Usually we have a limit on who gets transplants. There are criteria
that have to be met. But the rules seem to be getting more stretched.
Then I also think that we should just let nature take its course.
Not bother to fight it. For instance, very premature babies would
never have made it without medical intervention a few decades ago.
And many are born with so many problems. I think that we should just
let them go. Rather than pouring all this time energy and money into
them.
Life is not sacred. We are bacteria in the universe. Survival of
the fittest, and let the rest eat well. |
Medicine, ethics and life prolonging
Medical ethics have, like everything, evolved in their
own way. Certain basic principles were established early
on which have guided everybody in the discipline. All
professions recruit the sort of people who are in tune
with their ethos; few economic libertarians become nurses
or social workers, few anti-capitalist agitators become
corporate lawyers.
Over time the basic principles have become stretched
by experience and the pressures of the job. People who
don't like the way a discipline is going don't join
it. Very few Catholic fundamentalist types get involved
in reproductive medicine, few Hitlerite types get involved
in palliative care for the elderly and handicapped.
So the entrenched attitudes get more entrenched. This
is further reinforced by selfish careerism. Surgeons
do new types of surgery because they can, if
it is possible it should be done, if it is possible
it is better that they do it, rather than somebody
else. Medicine is full of prima donnas.
Should human life be prolonged?
There is no simple answer to this. There has to be
a lot of attention given to quality of life and the
costs involved. In many cases this calculation is simple,
otherwise healthy person falls into icy water, resuscitation
is obviously a good idea. But as time goes on and technology
advances more and more difficult choices are faced.
Such as the late abortions that become desperate attempts
to resuscitate the "premature baby", that is a problem
created by contrasting ethical standards. That particular
one should be cured by getting clear in everybody's
head that an abortion consists of two basic operations, killing and removing,
and if done in two distinct steps without any window
of opportunity for God or fate to interfere there need
be no problem. An overdose of painkillers to the foetus
and then remove it. Abortion cannot be done if the death
of the foetus is seen as an unwanted by-product, that
is typical of much wrong headed woolly thinking by believers, "if
God wants to save the baby he will make it clear, and
then we will do it..." Weird and wrong-headed.
Human life should not be prolonged no matter what.
Firstly we need to be clear about why human life is
precious. It is not because human life was created by
God or because it has a certain number of chromosomes.
Human life is precious because it is sentient. Keeping
alive a non-sentient human life is no benefit to anybody.
Without a quality of life and sentience human life is
animal life, and normal veterinary ethics apply. People
in comas with no prospect of survival should be deliberately
put to death in a painless manner. I would probably
extend that to braindamaged children with no prospect
of an enjoyable and human life.
Did you know that Hitler never ordered any mental defectives
be sent to gas chambers? He simply responded to the
heartfelt pleas of one German father who saw no quality
of life for his son. The rest is history, his henchmen
simply interpreted his will from this one episode. Hitler
ranted a lot, but gave few orders, an administrator's
nightmare boss. Hitler probably put back the cause of
science and the biological approach to politics more
than any man who ever lived. It might take another hundred
years or more to put right the damage he caused.
Usually we have a limit on who gets transplants.
There are criteria that have to be met. But the rules
seem to be getting more stretched.
Of course the rules will be stretched. Surgeons do
not get any credit for the operations they decide not
to perform.
Then I also think that we should just let nature
take its course. Not bother to fight it. For instance,
very premature babies would never have made it without
medical intervention a few decades ago. And many are
born with so many problems. I think that we should
just let them go. Rather than pouring all this time
energy and money into them.
I agree. Of course if the babies would grow up with
few complications then we should intervene but there
is no reason to bring children into the world to spend
70 years as a drain on our medicine and social services.
The judgement should be made on the basis of a reasonable
appraisal of their net contribution or cost to society.
We cannot give too much weight to the siren voices of
today's cripples. They will always make out a case for
unlimited charity. People always look out for their
own kind, people who probably share a genetic or memetic
inheritance, that universal tendency even extends to
the genes for diseases. Deep down inside cripples want
more of their kind, even if they will not rationalize
it as such.
You have problems with your beliefs and your work?
Can you imagine me looking after brain-damaged children
while reading about the Nazi's attitudes to eugenics
and the treatment of the handicapped? I did that for
a few months. I found that I was actually significantly
more caring than those who believed that they had fundamental
rights and deserved unlimited care. It was a strange
experience getting paid a pittance to look after children,
some with the intellectual ability in the laboratory
rat league, who were costing more to care for than the
gross income of me and the five adjacent households
put together.
The next move for the site is an A-Z
subject index which might help considerably in
helping people make serendipitous discoveries on the
site. I don't know how long this might take, I suspect
that it might take a while, so I will put it up part-finished
on Tuesday night (probably Wednesday morning for you.)
Now, this is a tricky subject to broach with anybody
but please forgive me. I am fairly clear about your
sexual orientation, but not totally sure about
your sex. Do you want to make it clear or do you enjoy
ambiguity? Just curious. :-) |
I had the strangest dream last night, I sent you an
e-mail that.....ooops. |
OOps? Now I am intrigued. |
Don't be too intrigued. I simply got the idea into
my head that you might be a man pretending to be a woman.
Now think about that, how can you ever prove it one way
or another? If you meet the person in question there are
ways, subtle and less so, but if all you see are text
messages, what then? Well one way is to wait until you
are very drunk and ask outright.
The reason I was suspecting is that I know a man who
does this; Daniel the till girl by day, Crystal Dee
playing Miss Scarlet on online Cluedo all night, flirting
mildly with men who think he is a tall leggy blonde.
Needless to say Daniel is as bent as a nine bob note.
Now can you understand my problem? Was I really that
drunk? Anyway, it occurred to me that if I was right
in my strange suspicion you would hardly be likely to
admit it, would you? In a way this is a bit like the
mystery of God. Once you postulate something of this
sort you can never unprove it. You can never unprove
the possibility of the existence of God, you can never
disprove a conspiracy theory and it is very difficult
to disprove the idea that you are only pretending to
be female. How could you do it? Send me a picture? How
do I know that is really you? Telephone me? Same problem.
What a strange dilemma to get into. Anyway. That explains
the oops. Did I really allow that message to be sent
like that? |
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Martin....how to prove...hmmm.
I don't know why I should prove it too you. But I guess
It is a bit like God.....you still feel like you have
to make the argument! Well I won't send you my passport...that
might be a bit risqué. How about a photo? |
Sorry about that whole saga. I hope you can see the
funny side. By the way, I wouldn't have cared much either
way.
I am fairly certain that a fair proportion of the people
out there in chat forums and the like are very far removed
from the image they present.
Have you heard of the Turing Test?
A test to see if computers can fool people into believing
they are real people, that was based on a thought experiment
about men posing as women. Not surprising, Turing was
gay. Posing as a member of the opposite sex is quite
an intellectual challenge. It reminds me of a phenomenon
I encountered a few years ago on CB radio; gay truckers.
These were apparently screaming queens who were obviously
genuine truckers but were they actually gay or not,
nobody was sure. Naughty Norman and Gaylord were the
two best. They kept it up for hours at a time, ooh,
saucy.
Apparently one motorway policeman pulled Naughty Norman
over one day and told him to get out of his truck
"What's the matter officer, have I done anything
particularly naughty? Do you want to chastise me?"
"Err no. I just want to ask you a question."
"Fire away. Be brutal."
"Are you, or are you not a practising homosexual?"
"No ducks, I don't need to practice anymore. I'm
an expert. Will that be all sir?"
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Ah it does'na matter bairn! Hehehehe.
Actually that reminded me of something that happened on F2B a while
ago. Someone posted that they wanted to assasinate GW Bush. Everyone
jumped on their tail and told them to be careful what they posted.
After looking at your tracker I had to agree. I pointed out that
if a harmless little atheist site like yours (no offence!) got interest
from the USA military and FBI etc. Imagine what imflammatory statements
like that might do to the Fade. We already have Army Intelligence
officers posting there (Snuffy1n5), so they are probably already
keeping an eye on him.
Be paranoid!
Clancy. |
I expect if the US military really are watching me
they would be showing up in the dozens of "unknown" visitors
or ".com" or ".net", don't you? I think the CIA budget
probably extends to a tame ISP or two. The .mil visits
I think come from a US marine who has contacted me on
a number of occasions.
A good little ruse you might like to try is to overload
the listening-in agent's computers. Always put a small
section in each email you send that contains likely
search words that the snoopers will be looking for.
So the plastic explosive is ready. I suggest 3
kilos of Semtex under the Sydney Harbour Bridge and
the bomb in Big Ben should get 4 kilos. The heroin
shipment from Columbia is due on Tuesday. I need those
5,000 M16 rifles by Thursday. OK?
Well, maybe it is a bit juvenile. But if it is fun,
why not?
As for harmless, why not? Although I prefer Mostly
Harmless. |
Please don't do anything as silly
as to try to gum up the eavesdropping of the intelligence
community. Remember whose side they are on. Don't do anything
to make the terrorists and criminals activities easier
to hide. Do not encrypt your emails or do other silly
childish things to make out that you have secrets. Transparency
is good. Say what you mean, mean what you say and sign
your name clearly.
26 September 2001 |
Have you got any ideas as to how I can entice some
more visitors my way? I have just put up a bulletin board,
it seems to me that this sort of think is a classic case
of success breeding success. So how to start the snowball
rolling? I thought I would ask you as you seem to be the
most ardent bulletin board poster I know.
By the way, this is all done for the joy of it, no
commercial motivation at all, and whatever I make I'll
go halves with you... I have enclosed your advanced
fee. |
Dear Martin.
Thanks, I think I feel flattered.
I had a look at your buletin board the other day, admittedly
it was only a brief peek, but I will be honest and say
that it did not seem terribly user friendly. But I may
revise my opinion.
MMM, how to start the snowball. Well the best way to
do it, and how I came by your site in the first place,
is to plant suggestions on OTHER bulletin boards. ANd
make it controversial, inviting your homophobic catholic
friend was a good start.
If you like I will post a few appetisers, set off the
first avalanche so to speak. Never know where it might
take us.
Clancy... |
I know what you mean about it being not especially
user-friendly. I will have to see if I can tinker with
it. But it's free server space with working code so beggars
can't be choosers. I will keep my eyes open for a better
option. Maybe somebody who appreciates my work will let
me have some toys to play with for free.
A tip to help with the bulletin board is to use a simple
text editor like notepad to store your name and email
address, so you can just quickly cut and paste it into
the boxes with a couple of mouse sweeps and standard
keyboard shortcuts. You can do the same thing if you
know what message you want to post in advance.
Can you believe it? That homophobe has
written back THANKING ME for the reply and saying he
will send a photo next time, so I can see why homosexual
men pester him. The mind boggles. Perhaps he looks like
an arsehole too...
I never turn down free publicity, if you fancy having
a go at promoting my site I'll not stand in your way.
Martin |
Ah, Martin.
You are a man after my own heart, mind...and body.
No seriously. I liked your piece on big
women. There are a lot of men out there who think
the same as you, and a few who do not. But for some
reason the fashion industry and the world of entertainment
in general has not yet caught on to this fact. Mind
you, I have no aversion to big men either. But as
someone who falls into the "Rubenesque" category,
I do like to be appreciated for more than my mind
sometimes.
Keep up the good work Martin. I will try to think of
something deeply profound to post on your forum. Unfortunately
I have been very busy at work, no time for the net.
No rest for the wicked!
Clancy |
I can't understand why so many men fall for this stick-insect
idea of women. I honestly don't think that much of women
like Kate Moss and the Corrs. While I wouldn't actually
refuse to impregnate them if they asked nicely I would
not go out of my way to do it.
In the shop I obviously get to see the full cross section
of the population and I have to say that my tastes are
very typically male, not exactly discriminating, I go
for all sorts, while I have preferences these would,
in an ideal scenario (fantasy) be about sequence rather
than exclusion. I think it is very sad that I have such
a poor choice of internationally known larger women
I can say I think are attractive. There are none that
I can think of. There are a few British celebrities
that are above average size (which is itself far above
the average size of celebrities). The average British
woman is dress size 16 in the British system, anything
over size 12 is considered fat by the media. My wife
dreams of slimming down enough to fit the size 18 black
number she keeps in the wardrobe. I don't tell her that
it fits me because she gets cross ;-) Actually it probably
doesn't anymore, shame.
Have you heard the one about the Foreign Legion troops
in the desert?
Where do we get to get our ends away? Just wait
till Friday when Mustafa brings his camels. Friday comes
and there is a great stampede, what are you running
for? What's the matter, you want to get stuck with
an ugly one?
Why do men still discriminate between women who they
are not actually going to impregnate? In an age of universal
contraception surely one fleshy tube is as good as another?
It has got to be about intra-male status. Otherwise
the rational approach is to screw the women who are
the least likely to give you a sexually transmitted
disease or to bore you afterwards. On both those counts
I think most modern men get it wrong.
Martin |
Martin.
I used to suffer under the impression that I was not sexually attractive
to men because of my size. Since I have hit my mid twenties, this
has been reversed. I have no trouble attracting men at all. Also
I have been astounded by the numbers of men who frequent the BBW
chat rooms I some times go to on the net. It is phenomenal.
However you are correct when you say this trend has not at all supported
by the media, well only in a very small minority. Probably one of
my favourite comediennes is Dawn French, not only for her wit, but
the way she is able to portray herself as a sexy, sexually active
and aware woman. The subject is still seen as taboo.
Personally, I have to admit that I am on a diet, for health reasons
more than anything else. But I am determined that I do not want to
be "Skinny" and my boyfriend has told me that he would not like me
that way anyway. A size 16 or 18 would be fine by me. It is hard
too when clothing companies do not make sexy fashionable clothes
for larger women, and if they do they are hideously expensive.
It is refreshing Martin, to hear a man like you praising the beauty
of a fuller figure.
Clancy |
So you go on Big Beautiful Women chat rooms? I didn't
know such things existed. How about dropping in a link
to my Big Women page and suggest they send me some comments?
They all count on the hit counter. I quite fancy the idea
of expanding that page a bit.
Do you by any chance have any good images I could use?
Nothing too pornographic or likely to get me into other
kinds of legal trouble. It is a difficult problem, thin
women look better in clothes, but rounded women are
better naked.
I have found that the odd tangential piece of work
on the site often helps drive quite a bit of traffic
my way and generates a lot of interest. Satanism, metrication,
the Jewish lobby, Exotheology and the American Dream
have all been minor hits.
The latest flurry of activity came on alt.atheism in
response to a post about "young people these days",
at least that is what the respondents seem to think
it was about. Normally I expect to see blatant misunderstanding
only when I post on Christian groups. Anyway, it is
all good fun.
You have a couple of replies to your postings on my
bulletin board. Finally I think there is some sign of
activity reaching the point of "critical mass".
Dawn French.
100% agree. She is fantastic, one of the sexiest women
on TV. She has beautiful hair and face, a nice smile
a nice personality and what else, oh yes, THOSE. But
even without those huge
breasts she is a great woman. Humour, wit, a nice
smile, a nice voice and an appetite for life and sex
are far more important than trivial things like size,
shape or hair colour. I want a woman, not a Barbie doll.
Fortunately I have one. Unfortunately I have to settle
for one...
Do you have any objection to me posting our e-mail
on the site? I think there is enough now to make it
interesting. I have found that my writing improves when
I think I have a potentially larger audience to show
off to. I get the impression that you are not averse
to publicity, but correct me if I'm wrong. |
Martin.
Yes I do go to BBW chat rooms, it is one of my secret
vices...don't tell anyone!
I use paltalk..I will send it to you if you like.
Its a conference chat...voice and video. But I don't
have a camera, apart from the fact my boyfriend wont
let me get one, I have no room left in my poor little
overworked lap top. If you like I will tell a few of
the people there about your site. There is one or two
I know who would definitely appreciate it! I will also
look out some pics for you, but I have a suggestion.
My mother is a painter..she does a lot of nude lifes,
I'm sure she would have one of a larger woman that you
could use. But other wise, I know of heaps.
Of course you can post our email on your site. I have
been waiting for you to ask me...actually I was starting
to feel a bit left out! Anyway, I am at work at the
moment..on the dreaded night shift. It has been extremely
busy up to this point. I am writing this at 2 am..just
sat down for a cuppa. But now I have to get back to
work.
Hear from you soon!
Clancy |
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